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Posted by John Titor on 01-27-2001 12:45 PM
Greetings. I am a time traveler from the year 2036. I am on my way
home after getting an IBM 5100 computer system from the year 1975.

My “time” machine is a stationary mass, temporal displacement unit
manufactured by General Electric. The unit is powered by two, top-spin,
dual-positive singularities that produce a standard, off-set Tipler

I will be happy to post pictures of the unit.

Posted by Mike Klinge on 01-27-2001 03:01 PM
As you are well aware of, I am sure, people can post anything here,
whether or not it is true. What proof do you have that you have
traveled through time? Rest assured that I want to believe you, but why
should I believe?

Thank you for indulging me.

Posted by John Titor on 01-27-2001 09:15 PM
I have been commuinicating online with others who are interested in time travel.
Also, for more information:
[Edited by Mary Rowland on 01-28-2001 at 03:04 PM]

Posted by Kevin Spooner on 01-28-2001 03:23 AM Question
Just an obviously curious note: If you were returning from the
1970′s to 2036 (um that’s 66 years)…. and you are using a time-travel
machine…. why on earth would you just per chance stop in 2001? Let
alone have a web page.

Answer welcome – I didn’t know time travel had resting stops
between scheduled trips? Hey – I’m not going to disbelieve on that
basis, just curious.

Posted by John Titor on 01-28-2001 06:35 AM
My initial flight was from 2036 to 1975 (61 yrs). I then went from
1975 to 2000 (25 yrs.) Later this year, one of two favorable windows
will open and I will return to my 2036 (35 yrs.) I am here now for
personal reasons. The web page is not mine. I have been speaking online
for about three months and the page is a collection of the various
documents and pictures I have sent to other individuals.

Also, I realize there is no way for anyone to believe me with
absolute certainty so I hope I’m at least entertaining. You may be
interested to know that even in 2036, there are a large number of
people who don’t believe in time travel. Are you sure the world is

Posted by Theresa Wood on 01-28-2001 07:33 PM
I read the q&a on the link posted and I found it to be very
interesting. Whether you are a time traveler or not is not relevant.
This is a very probable scenario of what our future holds if things
continue on their present course. Sometimes we need to step out of a
situation in order to see it more clearly. A time traveler from the
future “seeing” the events of the day helps in understanding the
current social/political trends. You hit it square on the head, in my
opinion. I enjoyed reading it, thanx!

Posted by Jeret Schisler on 01-28-2001 07:40 PM Wink
John, Can you please tell me some lotto numbers for 2036? I’ll be ready to retire around that time. if I’m still alive. Thanks

Posted by Kevin Spooner on 01-29-2001 02:45 AM Unhappy
I visited your web page and it immediately struck me with those
“photo’s” you claimed to have put there or made available or believe
in… mind if I ask something to clear my logical thinking mind…

Why is it, given that laser printers etc can print up to 2,400cpi,
(or at least 600cpi) and pictures can be scanned at god only knows what
(9,600+cpi) why your text and graphics appear to be 1950′s reproduction
of a faint typewriter in need of a ribbon replacement (God I havn’t
used the word ‘Ribbon’ since…. hmmm.)

And then there’s the fact that given the obvious typewriter appearance, the ‘text’ sure wasn’t made in 2036.
Oh… please don’t use the “oh – technology went by the board by then.” approach cause it won’t stick.
Please understand that I have examined time travel and parallel
world theories extensively and therefore only seek to clarify these
points with you.

Posted by John Titor on 01-29-2001 07:47 AM
Please keep in mind the web site is not mine and I apologize for the
poor quality of the files. The photo you saw was taken by me with a
Polaroid camera manufactured here. The other documents were duplicated
by placing a book onto a copy machine at a packaging and shipping store
and then scanning and saving them.

As for the printing technology in 2036, you may be surprised at how
many people use typewriters however I agree the documents were probably
not created that way.

I too am very anxious to hear your thoughts and questions on time
travel / gravity displacement and any comments on the Everett Wheeler
Graham model.

Posted by Lee Heggy on 01-29-2001 12:14 PM
2036 sounds more like 1836 with all the ‘good stuff’ of modern life
thrown in. Personally I prefer our current time-line even with all of
it’s excess and decadency it’s an exciting time to be alive and I can
still multiply and divide in my head.

Posted by John Titor on 01-29-2001 03:48 PM
Although the documents posted were printed from a computer printer,
is it really that hard to believe that manual typing is just a bit more
common in thirty years? After the war, many things like manual printing
machines, bicycles, sailboats and hand tools were valued a great deal.
I have noticed more people in California are installing wood burning

I realize my claims are a bit ridiculous but my intent is not
really to be believed. However, if I had an opportunity to talk to a
time traveler, I might ask questions like: How exactly does the
singularity sensor measure the expansion of the inner event horizon or
why does the reality of multiple worlds support the religious dogma
that there are no good or bad people just good and bad desicions or
what were the political motivations that changed the U.S. Constitution?

Posted by Mike Kolesnik on 01-29-2001 06:38 PM Red face
Ho hum…ANOTHER time travler.
Well, time to run him thru the BS o’meter.
Did you ever notice how time travlers never specify events that happen
in the NEAR future? As in a week to a month or so. The reason why is
because then people could check on these “events” to determine if they
have happened or not.

Well John, answer a few questions that any person from the future should know (or at least have easy access to)
1. What was the final death count in the recent India earthquake?
2. What is the “Ginger” (IT) invention?
3. Who wins the Stanley Cup (Hockey) this year?

Posted by Kimberly Nease on 01-29-2001 07:26 PM Angry
Super questions. This “time traveler” should have NO trouble at all
answering these questions, especially the GINGER one so get cracking


Posted by John Titor on 01-29-2001 09:10 PM
How do you figure I have easy access? I can appreciate your
skepticism but I must admit I’m confused by your choice of questions. I
fail to understand why a time traveler would be expected to know the
details you ask. Right now, do any of you know the details of the first
week in February for 1970? For that matter, could you tell me from
memory if it rained in Atlanta last week? Is a sports almanac a
required or expected piece of equipment for all “time machines”?

At least you didn’t ask the standard “what stocks should I buy”
question. Interesting that no one ever asks which stocks to sell. I’m
sure my answers will be quite unsatisfying but you should know I do not
want your unshakable faith nor do I think anyone should give it so
easily if a “time traveler” were able to answer those questions.

In fact, over this medium, it’s impossible to prove I’m a time
traveler, therefore, it’s impossible to believe. Actually, I depend on
that a great deal so I don’t have to worry about being picked up by
your friendly law enforcement officers. What do you think they would do
with two micro-singularities?

So here goes…
(1). I have no idea.
(2). It looks like some sort of motorized scooter. What do you think “IT” is?
(3). I know this one but I think it would be unfair and immoral for anyone to win a bet based on something I’ve told them.

Posted by Stephen McKay on 01-29-2001 10:16 PM
I’m sure it would be unfair and immoral if we had certainty, but the
truth is anyone placing a bet on your answer would still be gambling on
whether you are in fact from the future. Spill the beans!

Posted by Kevin Spooner on 01-30-2001 04:57 AM Talking
I can understand the ethics at hand here quite well. If you know,
for instance, that someone is going to have a fatal accident, or meet
with an unpleasant incident at a specific time, would you tell them the
specifics? I wouldn’t. If you knew when Microsoft was going to break,
or where the next and largest ever earthquake was to hit – would you
tell? There is the matter of ethics indeed. Who want to force
life-changes that are not natural to their path? Paths which
intermingle with all other life, indeed creation played out on this
earth. No indeed you wouldn’t.

Yet if a person already knew, as I do, that they are in the history
books, as I am, but not known widely or available within the community
yet – there is a simple challenge. And no – I am not talking from any
egotistical sense – just one of knowing. However, whether time
travellers wish to demonstrate based on the above is up to them. I
would certainly be forthright in my confirmation to them (private email
is allowed given the circumstances.)

But gentlemen and ladies… it also seems that certain ‘time
travellers’ traverse linear time whereas others appear to travel
cross-dimensionally. Interesting and one worth discussion.

I personally challenge said time traveller(s) to demonstrate their
proof by confirming to me what is already known to me as per my own
history but not yet in public circulation.

And I should add given that scenario – you can not bend or
manipulate my future path because you would not be telling me anything
I did not already know. Fun aye ???

Posted by John Titor on 01-30-2001 06:21 AM
(To the moderators: I apologize for the links, I understand and it
won’t happen again. I will be happy to submit the same material if
there’s a place to post it here.)

In my experience, when it becomes necessary to convince someone
what I do for a living the only way to do that is to be related to
them. Everything else is immediately written off as a parlor trick,
even if they’re standing in front of a cooling distortion unit and I
show them a dollar bill with the year 2029 on it.

In the last few months, I have had numerous extended conversations
online and there are quite a few things I’ve said which can easily be
checked out but haven’t. I get no pleasure out of being right when it
comes to CJD disease, war in the Middle East or suffering people in far
away lands. There’s nothing like the look on someone’s face when you
tell them 100,000 people will be dead tomorrow. In my travels, I have
discovered that most people really don’t want to know about the future
because if its different than what they want it ticks them off.
Actually, I don’t blame them.

The means by which I travel in time is very physical. I require a
“machine” to do it. It weighs about 500 pounds and gets quite hot. I do
not own it and I did not build it. Within limits, I will be happy to
discuss how it works and how “future” science thinks time works. No we
have not completed string theory yet but (N-10) seems to work pretty

As far as the future goes, your worldline is about 2.5% different
than mine. This is a roughly cumulative measurement based on my arrival
in 1975. As far as I can tell right now, you are headed toward the same
events I would call “my history” in 2036. However, the very nature of
time travel states that every worldline is unique and you are very much
in control of what you do and how you get there. Heck, the fact that
I’m here makes it different from mine.

I have nothing to sell, and there is nothing I want anyone to do. For
all other time travelers out there, I have no tests for you and I would
enjoy discussing your feelings and experiences after the war. To
everyone else, while I’m here, I am very interested in your philosophy,
religious outlooks and speculations on technology.

Posted by Kevin Spooner on 01-30-2001 12:36 PM Wink
Ah… the war. Now that’s interesting. Is it worth mentioning the visions I observed in this or similar respect?
Now as to answering my previous post… I simply placed a task
there that if done would not alter my time-line but for sure answer one
thing – I believe in the reality of Alien technology as I was one of
several verifiable people to OBSERVE the same occurence. I believe in
astral/spiritual travel as a person who has done so and spoken to
others of the same. I believe in the potential of time travel BUT have
not received anything that would make me properly convinced yet.

But then… perchance I missed some other posts prior to this BBS
(although I did on ocassion read the old system when it was active.)

You tell of war… and your desire to study the inhabitants of this
time-line prior to ‘the war’. Is the general population more interested
in (a) mind-baffling time-travel technology, or (b) the events and
observances of a time-traveller? A bit of both perhaps?

Care to shed some light on your view on ‘The War’ and why it is
that technology appears to have gone – or become the seclusive property
of controlling authorities? Interesting. I note also the American
Computer Corporation announcing an alternative storage/processing
system 12,000 times faster than current systems…apparently by
non-human intelligence. Now as a technician, that IS interesting but of
the apparent 3,000 the director sent out…. wonder if there’s one left
for a genuine techo to

Posted by John Titor on 01-30-2001 02:09 PM
Sometimes I imagine what it would be like to approach the Wright
Brothers in 1910, before their first flight, and make the suggestion
that in a mere thirty years, man would be on the brink of flying
through the air at the speed of sound.

What tools would I be able to show them that would convince them? Would
a picture of a jet airplane do it? Would complicated math and physics
equations do it? Would it take a ride? Perhaps there will be a way to
share the photos again but I don’t expect it would convince anyone. I
would only hope they would spark conversation and make the reality of
time travel a little more personal.

Although I have no personal experience with non-mechanical time
travel, I cannot discount it. Physics has a way of making the
impossible a reality.

I’m not here to study anyone. My objective was in 1975 and the
reason I’m here now is my family. I find my preconceptions of what I
would encounter interesting. Being exposed to a society through its
art, music and advertising is one thing and experiencing it is another.

I’m not sure the physics of time travel is really that hard to
grasp. Most of the working theory has been around on a large scale
since 1970 and the technical breakthroughs are happening on your
worldline right now.

Technology is not gone in 2036 nor is it the private domain of
“government” leaders. Computer printers just didn’t work very well on
12 volts and many people just got used to doing things the old way.
After the war, the main problem was distribution. Can anyone tell me
how many companies in the United States still manufacture bicycle tires
today? Anyone who still has a bike in 2008 will find out.

Posted by Mike Kolesnik on 01-30-2001 07:58 PM Red face
The wave rider spun a similar yarn and reeled Art in, hook, line and
sinker. Then Art had him on the show. He started off ok but quickly
went downhill into the Wacko Zone. After he told Art that Marilyn
Monore is not only alive but that she shot JFK there was a LONG silence
from Art. I could hear the gears turning in Art’s head as he finally
realized that he had been suckered.

It was the most glorious moment of silence!
Art recovered and proceeded to blast him.
Now, Back to “John”. Some items, John.
If I traveled back in time I would absolutely want to know the history
of the period and location. Since you have revealed yourself you have
obviously been trying to convince people of you credibility. So since
you had fore knowledge of your intentions you should have been
ABSOLUTELY sure of having easy-to-verify NEAR future history. Showing
crappy pictures of dollar bills from the future is child’s play.

Anybody with a $500 computer can do that. You sound like one of those religious cult nuts whose story keeps changing.
The “temporal divergence” you mention makes it an easy answer for
every probing question. ” Well, because of the temporal divergence, the
whole world just changed, THAT’s why none of my predictions come true.

There is a medical term for people like you.
Look it up!
1. So General Electric makes your TT machine. Well if that’s the
case then being masters of mass production they should have made
millions of them because EVERYONE would want one.

2. If the machine does exist we should be FLOODED with TTer’s right now!
3. CJD That story has been know since the late 1940′s. No great news there.
4. Middle east problems? That’s a no brainer.
You are spitting out the same things Ed Dames did.
None of his predictions came true either…

Posted by Kevin Spooner on 01-31-2001 02:14 AM
Galvanisation is something occasionally found on a packet of
building-grade nails (like ‘galvanised flathead’) But with the lack of
tangible evidence I’m thinking of shifting my belief in just what (or
who) should be termed galvanised?

I have not seen a constructively frameworked document outlining
required ethics which any trained TT would of necessity agree to. I
have not seen a TT willing to forward a single piece of physical time
travel device to this particular technician since first posting
anything over five years ago. I have not heard of any governing
declaration of use for TT devices from the future.

I have seen ‘interesting’ crude pictures, photo’s of items with
curly cords and really pre-1990 style equipment with perchance a few
common dials, needles, and circuits in probably arc-welded metal boxes.
I have seen diagrams, descriptions, interpretations, crude ‘make your
own’ manuals, and the like – and yet nothing, not one iota of anything
that could without question come from some future.

I am not p***ed off – not yet. I am calm (breathe man breathe!) and
wait in anticipation of some correct answers to some simple questions
and for goodness sake… some undoubtable proof. Then – only then -
would constructive discussion really begin.

Posted by John Titor on 01-31-2001 06:30 AM
I’m not aware of any predictions I made or perhaps we do not agree
on the definition. What anyone chooses to do based on something I might
say will not affect me in the least. My goal is not to believed and I
submit that your life would not be any better (and perhaps worse) if
you did believe me. You placed “tests” before me that I must pass. Why?
What do I have to gain by passing them?

The fact is there is nothing I can say or show you or let you drop
hydrochloric acid on that will “make” you believe me and I really don’t
want that. It would be nice to discuss your view on religion, politics,
physics and the mechanical requirements of time travel but in order to
engage in those types of conversations, I must apparently tell you who
wins the hockey game next week. I’m just guessing that if were to write
out the ten lines for Fermat’s final proof you wouldn’t be very
impressed either.

(1) Industrialized mass production does not produce the uncountable
tonnage of useless consumer items so gleefully absorbed by your
society. I would estimate there are about 10 units like mine (C204) and
twenty larger units (C206). The main difference is the sensitivity and
number of the main Cesium clocks. I would estimate that some sort of
public time travel will be common around 2045.

(2) I’m not aware of any other time traveler’s “here” now. But if they
are here, I’m sure they’re pouring over sports history books so they
can go back in time another week and start a friendly conversation on
the web.

(3) The “Mad Cow” story here is yet to begin but don’t worry, the fruited jellitine deserts are safe.
(4) I’m glad to see it’s so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I
suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a “no arrmer” and
a “no legger”.

Ethics is an excellent topic of discussion and I hope we can move
past a collective insistence of applying everything to this frame of

Posted by Melinda Floyd on 01-31-2001 10:50 AM
Of course I only speak for myself, but I think it’s irrelevant and
pointless to argue whether or not this man is a Time Traveler or not.
This thread sure beats anything else on the BBS right now, and it
doesn’t matter if what John is claiming is fact, a hypothetical
exercise or pure BS. He’s raised some very interesting points that I
think would be beneficial for discussion:

1) Civil War–considering the current political climate of our
country, this is feasible. Figuring in the pervading apathy regarding
what has happened in the last couple of months (the serious
implications should have at least ‘clicked’ by now), I think something
much more drastic would have to happen to get Americans off their
couches and away from their TV’s (or computers) in order to fight for
2) Mass Production–I was thinking the other day how much we waste in
this country via mass production. I was in a store standing in front of
a wall covered with utterly useless ‘stuff’ and the absurdity of it
struck me so much I had to laugh. I’ve always admired Gandhi’s belief
in doing away with industrializing India in favor of keeping to a much
smaller (but more widely spread among the people) production of
textiles (ie; ‘craftsmen’).

3) Ethics and Holistic thinking–shouldn’t the more prosperous
lend a helping hand to those in less fortunate circumstances, and
shouldn’t this be done worldwide? I know we in America have allowed
ourselves to be lied to regarding what is important and what is not. We
seem to be more valued in this society for what kind of, and how many
material possessions we accumulate than for the intangible/non-material
but longer lasting treasures we might possess.
4) Anything is possible. Why not? If you think for yourself, someone
like John shouldn’t be a threat. Haven’t you had ‘futuristic’ dreams?
Do you suspect that you are living in other timelines or
‘realities’–some very similar, some so different that you don’t even
have a frame of reference in order to understand them with? Do you
remember doing this particular incarnation millions of times before? Is
sanity just too boring for you?=)

Anyways, I only briefly touched on some of the things John has brought
up in his posts (and from the link he posted). Yeah John, I’d like to
discuss what ethics and the human condition would be like in the

Posted by Vanessa Bunn on 01-31-2001 03:41 PM
John Titor,
A serious reply please. When you determine the time to which you want
to travel do you “dial in” the date to which you want to go, can you
“jump” to a new date, say in 1000 year increments. Can you “sample” the
time period by stopping only for a few moments before continueing your
trip and can you take passengers with you????? please answer honestly.

Posted by John Titor on 01-31-2001 07:13 PM
The distortion unit reaches its target destination by using very
sensitive gravity sensors and atomic clocks. The basic unit of
calculation is the second. So yes, in a sense you do “dial in” in a
date and the computer system controls the distortion field. At maximum
power, the unit I have is capable of traveling about 10 years an hour.

Unfortunately, time travel is not an exact science. There is
inherent error and chaos in the computers ability to make accurate
calculations. Based on the current technology of the clocks and
sensors, distortion units are only accurate to about 60 years or so. So
no, in 2036, we are unable to travel back 1000 years due to the error
rate in the system. The divergence between the worldline of origin and
the target worldline would be too great. If one were to try and travel
back that far, history would look nothing like what you would expect.

The unit has mass limits but the 204 is capable of transporting
about three people and equipment. I don’t think you would like 2036
very much.

Posted by Charles Moltrup on 01-31-2001 09:02 PM Wink
Why would you want a IBM 5100 I can find them at auctions for next to nothing, i think they were the first 286 CPU’s.
Why didn’t you stop in this year first and by one.Well I have a
good question for you in 2036 do you still use toliet paper to wipe
your ass.

Posted by Kevin Spooner on 02-01-2001 04:58 AM
I’m pleased to see certain persons take little offence and in fact
upon re-reading my posts recently I have noticed they don’t read as
intended – I am for the record pleasant but usually quiet company!
Sorry if I upset you (I hope not.)Dear God… please hurry up and make
these computers write not what is typed… but what is meant…. hmm.

I have a natural inquisitive mind and enjoy and technical
challenges. I am also a Spiritualist and to that end enjoy both spirit
and mind… which is why I for one am naturally curious about the
future, time travel, parallel universes, and spiritual matters. I
believe that most people visiting this site do so for a mixture of
reasons – including the DESIRE to know.

You mentioned previously the year 2008 – what’s significant given your
observed 2.5% difference between this time line and your own?

You mentioned a certain model (204) travel unit – what is the source of power and what type of ‘engine’ is used?
If as you claimed, most of the requisite information has been
around since 1970′s – and yet time travel is not public until ? 2045…
why is it that a time traveller can not divulge design information that
would demonstrate its reality. Are there missing common
elements/materials yet to be discovered or engineered?

Posted by John Titor on 02-01-2001 08:36 AM
The 5100 had a very simple and unique feature that IBM did not
account for and decided it was not in their best interest to advertise
(which in hindsight was not very smart). This accidental feature was
thus removed from any future desktop computers. In order to take
advantage of this feature, the 5100 I have now required a couple of
special “tweaks” that had to be done by one of the software engineers
in 1975. Anyone who is familiar with this feature and was told to keep
their mouth shut about it will be able to tell you what it is.

Yes we still have toilet tissue and some people still suffer from extreme anal fixation.
I have noticed and gotten used to the act of verbal conflict as a
cathartic entertainment. I don’t totally understand it but I take no
offense by it either. Perhaps we could just arm wrestle some day and
still be able to have a pleasant conversation.

The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will
realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The civil
war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as
having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The
conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a
very short WWIII.

The source of power for the C204 that allows it to distort and
manipulate gravity comes from two microsingularities that were created,
captured and cleaned at a much larger and “circular” facility. The dual
event horizons of each one and their mass is manipulated by injecting
electrons onto the surface of their respective ergospheres. The
electricity comes from batteries. The breakthrough that will allow for
this technology will occur within a year or so when CERN brings their
larger facility online.

Perhaps it would have been clearer to state that the math has been
around since 1970. I would urge you to examine the properties of Kerr
black holes and Tipler cylinders. An actual working prototype was first
tested in 2034. On my worldline, time travel is not a public recreation
but we are all aware that it exists. You may be disappointed to know
that the ability to manipulate gravity is not the technical challenge
that had to be overcome. Miniaturizing the clocks and sensors, creating
clever ways to vent x-rays and creating a computer system dependable
enough to calculate the changes required to the field were the main
challenges. There are no missing pieces…just missing energy levels and
a few very interesting subatomic particles.

Posted by Mel Reckling on 02-01-2001 10:42 AM
I always thought a good question to ask a time traveler
would be: When is the next triple crown won in horse racing and
what is that horse’s name. Those events are few and far between and
generally remembered. They should stand out in most people’s minds.
This could be a good little test. A winner of some obscure 10k race in
Utah nobody would remember, but Derby winners and especially Triple
Crown winners hold international prominence.

Posted by John Titor on 02-01-2001 11:28 AM
Unfortunatly, winners of historical sports betting events are not
high on the priority list of people in 2036. As a thought experiemnt,
If I did tell you who the winning horse was and you killed it before
the final race, would that make me a liar or would it support my
statement that our worldlines are about 2% different? Do you know who
won that race 30 years ago?

Posted by Matt Hagemeier on 02-01-2001 11:55 AM
John. a fee questions: what is the political climate like in the U.S
in your current timeline? I mean, what form of government is there?

Posted by Charles Moltrup on 02-01-2001 12:04 PM Talking
Sorry about the flip question you do know your computers but still
why didn’t you buy a CRAY computer second hand they are much more
reliable.Have a nice flight BACK TO THE FUTURE

Posted by Grant Nelson on 02-01-2001 07:21 PM
John, you are right about the significance of the 5100 so I tend to
believe most of what you say about the near future will also come to
pass in my personal time line.

I propose a little experiment.
I will come look you up if I happen to be in Florida in 2036 and we can talk computers or go fishing.
PS Next time somebody asks which team won a particular game just tell ‘em it was the one that scored the most points.